Var massemorderen i Virginia muslim?
Bloggeren Kim & Her Friends Explain It All skriver:
“My fellow poster Rutheford just emailed me this:
I noticed in a news report that Cho Seung-Hui, the VA Tech shooter, had “Ismail Ax” written on his arm in red ink. Wondering what that meant (as Wikipedia failed to clarify) I did a little Googling, and guess what?
“Ismail Ax” is a well known phrase in the Muslim world. The Muslims believe that the [Old Testament] is wrong in saying that Abraham was supposed to kill Isaac with a knife, rather they believe he was supposed to kill Ishmael (Ismail) with an Axe. They also believe that Abraham was supposed to go out and attack idols with an axe, and some also attribute the phrase to meaning that Ishmael was supposed to kill Isaac, the father of all Western culture, with an axe.
Cho was a South Korean immigrant to the US, but it seems undeniable that his killing spree, at least in part, was motivated by some sort of belief in Islam.
Chalk another mass killing up to Islam, but don’t expect the MSM to.”
Fra Tv2:
“Hvad betyder “Ismail Ax”?
Den 23-årige sydkoreaner Cho Seung-Hui, som stod bag massakren i Virginia, har allerede sat gang i spekulationerne hos konspirationsteoretikerne.
Det er ordene “Ismail Ax”, som gerningsmanden ifølge Chicago Tribune havde skrevet med rødt blæk på sin arm, da han gik i døden, der har sat gang i teorierne.
Internetsøgninger på ordene giver ingen brugbare svar, men et par timer efter offentliggørelsen af ordene, tegner der sig et par mulige forklaringer i diverse weblogs.
Ifølge internettjenesten Hot Air kan forklaringen måske findes i litteraturen.
Cho Seung-Hui læste engelsk som hovedfag, og ordene refererer muligvis til en bog af James Fennimore Cooper, som massemorderen kan have læst.
I bogen “The Prarie” flygter nybyggeren Ishmael Bush fra civilisationen – han isolerer sig ligesom den ensomme sydkoreaner.
Ishmael Bush tager to vigtige værktøjer med sig – et gevær og en økse.
Begge dele har en symbolsk virkning, mener en skribent, Ray F., på Hot Air.
Øksen (Ax), som Cho Seung-Hui refererer til, kan både dræbe og bygge huse – den står med andre ord for både skabelse og destruktion, og det er måske det, som morderen refererer til.
En religiøs teori
Et andet bud er at finde i Koranen og Det Gamle Testamente, hvor Abraham bruger en økse til at ødelægge nogle afgudebilleder med – Ismail var Abrahams søn, og der kan ifølge webloggen “Ismail Ax” på blogspot.com være en sammenhæng her.
Samme weblog kommer også med et tredje bud, der går ud på, at Cho Seung-Hui bare skrev “Ismail Ax” på sin arm for at virke mystisk og opnå den omtale og opmærksomhed, som han ikke fik i levende live.”
Mon ikke svaret ligger nærmest punkt 3 i Maries tekst?
Ifølge Politically incorrect, konverterede massemorderen – som var af koreansk afstamning for nogle år siden til Islam, han havde muslimske indonesiske venner og havde opholdt sig længere tid i Detroit, som anses for det centrale for muhammedanerne i USA.
En længere beskrivelse findes på:
http://www.politicallyincorrect.de/2007/04/der_islamkonvertit_cho_ismail_1.html
-> #3 tabuka:
Historien giver meget god mening i den forstand, at det vel kun er forstyrrede mennesker der frivilligt konverterer til islam 🙂
Jeg postede det første citat for at vise, at der er flere mulige tolkninger en blot den ene, som Hodja giver.
Desuden synes jeg, at man skal lægge mærke til, at der er forskel på den tolkning, Hodja giver (i forhold til islamiske forklaring), og den der er refereret i mit citat. Handler det om historien om Abrahams “drab” på Isak (som – ifølge Hodjas post – skulle foretages med en økse), eller handler det om Abrahams ødelæggelse af afgudsbilleder? Og hvis det er sidsnævnte (som er den, jeg har fundet flest gange på nettet), hvorfor så skrive “Ismael Ax” – hvorfor ikke “Abraham Ax”? Isak var jo ikke involveret i den historie.
Jeg tror lige, man foreløbigt skal klappe hesten i forhold til tolkninger og oplysninger – indtil hysteriet har lagt sig.
Her er lidt til konspirations-teorierne:
“A law enforcement official who read Cho’s note described it Tuesday as a typed, eight-page rant against rich kids and religion. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.”
“Cho indicated in his letter that the end was near and that there was a deed to be done, the official said. He also expressed disappointment in his own religion, and made several references to Christianity, the official said.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266683,00.html
PI’s historie er nu dementeret.
http://eldarossell.wordpress.com/2007/04/18/clarification/
This morning after finished read the VT Tech incident in the local newspaper, I checked my email. And it was full of messages regarding the speculation whether I knew the VT Shooter or not. That was because a picture that I put on Flickr had the similarity to the murderer.
When I read those messages, I was shocked and until I write this I’m still shocked. Especially, after I heard that an Indonesian student was one of the victims.
I write this to clarify that my friend is not the VT Shooter.
Yes, the murderer name (Cho Seung Hui) had a very similar name to his name, Cho Seung Hoo. Please note to the HOO and the HUI in their names.
I already saw the murderer picture in NY Times and other news websites. He’s definitely not my friend Cho Seung Hoo. They are completely different person.
First of all, they don’t have the exact similar face. Their similarity was just their homeland and name (even that not exactly the same). There are a lot of people have the same characteristic, short hair and wearing glasses.
My friend is 25 years old not 23. When he came to Indonesia, he just finished his study in college majoring computer. He doesn’t speak English very fluently.
My co-workers are very fond of him because he is very friendly and always make time to talk to them while he was staying at our hostel. He is a very funny and talkative person, definitely not a loner.
Currently, he still teaching computer in Indonesia until next year and then he will go back to his homeland.
He is not a Moslem. He is a Christian. Ismail was ONLY his nick name while he studied Bahasa Indonesia. He maybe didn’t use that name again.
HE IS INNOCENT.
I’m feeling guilty right now. Just because I put his picture in my blog and Flickr, he has to face that false accusation.
I already delete the picture and the blog post about him, so that everybody will stop being curious and accuse him. And also because nobody can link to that anymore and made unnecessary comments that only lead to other accusation. I already had enough with comments in my Flickr in regard to that. I quote:
“If this is him there is an Indonesian Muslim connection.. Look at the rest of the Photostream, This guy may have studied in Indonesia and became a Muslim.. Anyhow, I can’t even tell if its him. But he did have the word Ismail written in red on his arm. I just don’t know”
I cried when I read this comment … what do you mean by that?? That’s my friend, family and country you just insult!!
What if one of your friends or family or EVEN YOU receives that insult and accusation?
I’m being paranoid now. I’m afraid because I put all my pictures in the internet. What if something likes this happen again?? Maybe one day, someone will say “Hey, that dog pic on your Flickr, I think it was the one who bite me yesterday. I’m going to sue you“
Alle onde mennesker er muslimer – uanset om de ved det eller ej. Jeg har også tit tænkt på, om Hodja mon også var muslim, det tyder dit navn da på…
Nej. Jeg er blandt andet præst. Og jeg har aldrig påstået, at ‘alle onde mennesker’ er muslimer, selvom du prøver at pådutte mig det gang på gang.
“Kristian” er sandsynligvis en muhamedansk 2.g’er. Hans vedholdende forsvar for den fascistiske månekult islam tyder på det.
Ja, jeg er muhamedansk 2. g´er, nigger, tigger, tyv, luder og alt andet hvad du foragter.
Kunne man ikke opretholde en høvisk tone på begge sider? Tak.
Jeg forstår godt hvor du vil hen, og synes også det er fint du intervenerer. Når jeg skriver, at jeg er en “nigger”, så er det en reference. Jeg kan desværre ikke huske eller finde, hvem der sagde det, men det svarer til fx Kennedys “berliner” – eller med andre ord en tilsyneladende identifikation som tjener som en solidaritetserklæring. Det er også en reference til når Jesus siger, at alt hvad I gør mod disse små, det gør I mod mig. Ikke for at nedgøre, men for at genoprejse.
This might be your greatest post I have read!!!
Tremendous writing!!